Conspiracy Theories

Citizen Quasar has stated that he thinks 25,000 Americans are being deliberately abandoned by the US government so bad things can happen to them which will be a pretext for greater US involvement in the region. Phelps has argued that this is not the case. Similar claims have been made by others about the US government allowing Pearl Harbor to be attacked to spark off WWII. Where do I stand in the midst of these claims? How Machivellian and duplicitious is the US government? I will answer!

Do I think the government is capable of shady dealings, deliberate deceptions, fraud, and hoax? Absolutely. I said from the get-go that the dirty bomb claims against Jose Padilla might be bullshit and lo and behold when he was finally charged the allegations had nothing to do with a dirty bomb. So I don’t blindly trust the government (this one or anyone else’s) and I’m liable to believe that we engage in deception to obtain some tactical advantage. But the main premise behind Occam’s Razor is that the simplest solution is usually the right one. We should keep that in mind.

So who shot President Kennedy? Although (as in the murder of J.R.) there were billions of people with motive including (but not limited to) the Mafia and the Cubans, as far as we can tell the assasination was carried out by Lee Harvey Oswald working alone. Sure there is a tiny chance there was a little person on the grassy knoll that none of the scores of people saw. But the most likely reason nobody saw a shooter at that spot was because there was not one there. I went there. I looked at the grassy knoll and I saw how great a shot that would allow. I also looked at the book depository building and my conclusion is either way it was a nice shot.

Second: did the US actually put people on the moon? No. They did take some nice pictures of Nevada. Nice try guys!

Did the US deliberately allow Pearl Harbor to be attacked? I don’t think so. I think the attack was just a real ballsy move that no one actually expected.

Was AIDS created by American scientists in order to wipe out the black population? No. That’s what malt liquor and menthol cigarettes are for. AIDS was a simian disease that spread, not coincidentally, at the same time and places that health workers were operating in Africa to administer polio shots in the 1950s. My determination: dirty needles helped those workers unwittingly to spread what had been small local disease. So not only did Jonas Salk kill my good friend polio, it’s also likely that he’s responsible for giving us AIDS. Thanks a lot asshole!

Did Kobe get Shaq kicked off the Lakers. You bet. I hate that guy.

Did O.J. do it or did the LAPD plant evidence in order to set him up? Yes and yes. But I still like him because he made 2,003 yards in 332 carries and it’s not like he killed the two most important people in the world. What, are we running short on ex-wives and waiters or something? Give the man a pass, he’s an NFL Hall of Famer for crying out loud!

That’s all for now. Any more conspiracy theories?

45 Responses to “Conspiracy Theories”

  1. Phelps says:

    Lizard people run the world

    Israel controls the White House because the Republicans are afraid of losing the votes of the 1000 or so American Jews that actually vote Republican.

    Hitler still runs the Nazis at a secret U-boat base in Antarctica.

    Nixon used to show off his collection of Aliens to Jackie Gleason.

    The CIA tried to assasinate Jim Morrison, but his daddy the Admiral arranged a fake death instead.

    MI5 assassinated Paul McCartney for being a communist, but he was replaced by a look-alike contest winner.

  2. Phelps says:

    This one I actually believe: HIV does not cause AIDS, but is in fact a ubiquitous harmless virus, and that theory survives only because a disproportionately large industry has been created around it, based on hyped warnings of insignificant infection vectors, and that AIDS is actually several separate immuno-deficiency disorders related primarily to genetic syndromes and drug over-use.

    And that there is no African AIDS crisis, because most African AIDS cases are actually Malaria or Dysentary or Cholera, but since they only get a couple of hundred dollars per case to fight those diseases and several thousand to fight AIDS, they call everything AIDS just so they have the money to treat them.

  3. mexi says:

    You think we really landed on the moon?

    Oh yeah and speaking of lizard people (I had to look that one up) is this the guy you saw when you were a kid? that would be kind of cool!

  4. Phelps says:

    Same build, but not as smooth and hygenic. And yeah, we landed on the moon. The conspiracy is keeping us from going back and further out. The space program was booming in the sixties, we go to the moon, and then all of the sudden it just dries up?

  5. mexi says:

    You might have been visited by people from the future. You might be George Washington to them you know. Or at least Crispus Attucks.

  6. Phelps says:

    Maybe I’m their Lee Harvey Oswald. I better go clean my guns. And take some photos with them and newspapers.

  7. mexi says:

    Oh my god. You were visited by a Puerto Rican!

  8. guy in the uNLV jacket says:

    I gotta disagree on the African AIDS thing. THose fukkers are dropping like flies.

  9. Mexigogue says:

    And a lot of the moonscape pictures had the exact same background in allegedy different locations!

  10. guy in the uNLV jacket says:

    Dude THe moonscape was a leftover set from The Wizard of OZ. If you look closely you’ll see a flying monkey in the background

  11. R says:

    Lawl. Mexigogue is a noob.

  12. Citizen Quasar says:

    First, I am honored that I am actually the topic of one of your blog entries. I have been following your blog for upwards of a year and, while I may not agree with everything, I enjoy the temper of things and comment from time to time.

    I occasionaly read Phelps too because I lived in Dallas for 15 years though I am not interested in most of his topics.

    Now:

    When I was in the first grade (I did not go to kindergarten.), I learned not to call people names just because they were different or I did not agree with them. I learned to examine the facts of a situation and base my understanding on the facts. I thought that this was a self evident way to act. I thought that people could always see through name calling and that everyone would grow out of this in a year or two. I was sooooooo wrong.

    Nowadays, Sean Hannity is asked about the Cremation of Care ceremony (held on July 16th this year), at the Bohemian Grove, which was first video taped by Alex Jones in 2002, he immediately calls the caller a kook and conspiracy nut , plays music from “The Twilight Zone,� and hangs up on the caller. He never addresses the facts.

    Phelps on “Loose Change,� 2nd Edition:

    “Seriously. I’m a filmmaker by training. I know propoganda and deceitful editing when I see it. That film is a lie wrapped up in lies.�

    Notice how Phelps does not even ATTEMPT to contradict one of the facts in this movie. Using his own terminology, I ask Phelps to explain what exactly qualifies this film as “propaganda� and specifically what editing is “deceitful� in this film. Contrast the film with some documentable FACTS, Phelps. What “lies� is it “wrapped up in?�

    Also, this film is just one of a whole footlocker full of 911 “conspiracy� films that are available on the Internet for just a few mouse clicks or a Google search. I just mentioned it as an example.

    Another one worthy of mention is “911 Revisited.� “911 Revisited� focuses on Building 7. In this film, Larry Silverstein, the owner of WTC 7, which had two minor fires and was NOT damaged by aircraft, says that the NYCFD said they were going to “pull the building.�

    This is demolition terminology for raising a building to the ground. The only way this building could have been raised was with pre-planted charges. And that is exactly what you see happen in the videos.

    I could go on and on. Yet, I cannot convince someone to adopt my beliefs. Each person must form their own opinion about things. I just wanted you guys to examine some of the evidence and it is obvious that Phelps does NOT want you to examine the available evidence but, rather, to accept his glossed over appraisal of things as if he is of some superior intelligence than everybody else.

    His manner is exactly that of the government: “Take OUR word for it. We are more qualified to know the truth than you are. You MUST believe US. SHAME on you for not doing so!�

    Also, Phelps craftily omits mention of Operation Ajax when he voices his opinion of the attack on the USS Liberty. Operation Ajax is described on the official CIA website. Yet BOTH of these are given much treatment in the video “Terrorstorm� by Alex Jones.

    Let me point out a few things about the USS Liberty attack.

    1. The USS Liberty flew a large American flag during the entire attack.
    2. The attack came from torpedo boats and Israeli aircraft.
    3. The attack lasted three hours and was called off when a Russian ship approached.
    4. An American aircraft carrier battle group was nearby and received continuos maydays from the USS Liberty.
    5. This carrier battle group’s admiral (‘Sorry, I forget his name.) received an order from the Pentagon NOT to assist the USS Liberty.
    6. The admiral called the Secretary of Defense to verify this order (McNamara) and was told NOT to assist the USS Liberty.
    7. The admiral then patch through to President Johnson who told him “I want that goddamned ship to go to the bottom.�
    8. The crew of the USS Liberty were threatened with court martial and death if they spoke the truth of what they knew.
    9. One of the Israeli pilots later came forward saying that he identified the USS Liberty as an American vessel and refused to attack it three times until he was threatened with court martial if he did not attack the ship.

    Once again, you should all examine the evidence and decide what you choose to believe. Yet EXAMINE the evidence and do not rely on the spoutings of “propaganda� masters like Phelps.

    Now, I am getting tired of typing. I could go into the Kennedy assassination in more depth if someone wants me to. However, I will just suffice it that Phelps has yet to explain how more bullet fragments were removed from Connally’s thigh than are missing from “the magic bullet.�

    Also, 24,000 Americans being abandoned in a war zone for six days is a deplorable thing. It is good that they are finally getting out. Yet this is a minor point in the grand scheme of things. The MAIN false flag operation is the 911 crime.

    I highly recommend that you go to http://www.prisonplanet.com/ and click on “Listen Live� in the upper right corner.

    Finally, you guys can spout off all kinds of ridicule to try to make me feel ashamed of my independence of thought. Yet YOU are the ones who are succumbing to “the herd instinct.� You are merely going along to get along.

  13. guy in the uNLV jacket says:

    Fukking Jews. Let’s blast Israel!!

  14. guy in the uNLV jacket says:

    If the USS Liberty were a false flag operation wouldn’t they have put it on the news and claimed the Arabs have gotten stupid instead of trying to cover up the whole incident?

  15. Citizen Quasar says:

    guy in the UNLV Jacket:

    The plan was to blame it on Egypt so that the US military would then take over the entire Middle East. The plan went awry.

    In any case, this was when Isreal clobbered Syria, Egypt, Saudia Arabia, Jordan, and Iraq in six days.

    This was known as the “Six Day War.” This is when Israel seized the rest of Jerusalem and the West Bank of the Jordan.

    Learn some god damned history, dude.

  16. Citizen Quasar says:

    M2

    Mexi:

    “So who shot President Kennedy? Although (as in the murder of J.R.) there were billions of people with motive including (but not limited to) the Mafia and the Cubans, as far as we can tell the assasination was carried out by Lee Harvey Oswald working alone. Sure there is a tiny chance there was a little person on the grassy knoll that none of the scores of people saw. But the most likely reason nobody saw a shooter at that spot was because there was not one there. I went there. I looked at the grassy knoll and I saw how great a shot that would allow. I also looked at the book depository building and my conclusion is either way it was a nice shot.�

    “…as far as we can tell the assasination was carried out by Lee Harvey Oswald working alone…�

    “as far as we can tell�

    As far as “we� can tell? What is this “we� shit? Mexigogue, I thought that YOU were the sole owner and writer of this blog. At least that is what I have always seen.

    “We?� “We?�

    This reminds me of the scene out of the movie “Deliverance� where the mountain hick fucks the guy in the ass while his retarded redneck buddy holds the other guy at gun point.

    The guy fucking this man in the ass says, “Now, boy. Say, “We.��

    This sounds just like you submitting to your mental superior, Phelps as he gives it to you in the mind with his long strait devoid of reason mental dick.

    I am sorry that you are such a mind slave. I recall that you can reason better than this if you want to.

    BUT, I see you using this collectivistic afraid-of-the-group mentality to attempt to bring me into line.

    I can only say that you must line up behind the bar/pool hall, bend over, take it up the ass from me and: “Now, boy, say “We.� Because the only thing that you understand is physical force.

  17. Citizen Quasar says:

    “That’s all I have to say about that.”

    —Forrest Gump

    PS
    Now bend over, boy.

  18. mexi says:

    “as far as we can tell�

    As far as “we� can tell? What is this “we� shit? Mexigogue, I thought that YOU were the sole owner and writer of this blog. At least that is what I have always seen.

    WE as in we Americans jackass. I am not a conglomorate, a communal effort, a Robin the boy wonder. As far as WE the American people can tell because the Kennedy assasination has been a concern/fascination for ALL of us. This is not something that has only been of interest to the people who read this blog. I’m going to give you some time to write that down. I’ll revisit this when I get to work.

  19. guy in the UNLV Jacket says:

    quasar you are out of control. You claim a false flag operation and then no false flag operation is reported. The 6 day still had 2 more days to go after the liberty was attacked. But at the time nobody knew that it was going to be a 6 day war, it could hav been a 6 week or 6 month ware. So why wasn’t it reported as an Egyptian attack?

  20. Phelps says:

    0:38: Out-of-context contrasting of quotes. Rice was referring to the method, Rumsfeld was referring to the likelyhood that we could be attacked in some manner.

    0:51 Clarke quote presented as “White House Advisor”, insinuating that this is an adminsitration admission of guilt when he is actually a political opponent of the administration

    1:03 Operation Northwoods is presented in its entirety before it is admitted that the plan was never seriously considered as policy

    2:26 It is insinuated that Lebitzer is removed by Kennedy becuase of the operation Northwood proposal through juxtuposition. It does not actually say it because he didn’t. It was coincidental.

    2:52 The cover of a FEMA brochure showing the WTC in a graphical crosshairs is presented, insinuating that there was warning of an attack in 1997. This ignores that the only major act of international terrorism in the US to that date was a single attack on the World Trade Center in 1991.

    And that’s just the first three minutes.

    And Operation Ajax? WTF? Ajax was about Iran, and you think it has some connection to the Liberty? You actually think that Israel and Iran are allied up against the US? And on your Liberty timeline, points 5-7 are unsubstantiated rumor (and contested by people on both ships) and 8 is outright false. 9 is indicative of — guess what? A FRIENDLY FIRE INCIDENT.

    More bullet fragments weren’t removed from his leg. This is just wrong. As in, a non-fact.

    I’m not playing Whack-a-Mole on this shit anymore. How many of these do I have to knock down before more stop popping up? The government can’t even get a simple thing like the Bay of Pigs done, but you think that they are capable of coordinating these giant conspiracies that involve keeping hundreds of thousands of people quiet? Hell, we can’t even look at bank records without it ending up in the NYT.

    Independence of thought is fine. You are working through things. Eventually, it will fall apart for you too, like it has for me. I don’t think that every out-there theory is wrong. I know about Bohemian Grove. I am alarmed by that, because it really goes on. I am alarmed by RCAP because there is actual documentation behind it, and it is predictable. I’m sure that small conspiracies can go on. It is big giant operations that I don’t buy.

    And Quazar, you are so full of conspiracy shit now, you think that when two people disagree with you at the same time, they must be in a conspiracy. “Oh, they both think I’m crazy. Let’s see, my choices are:

    1. I really am crazy, or
    2. There is a conspiracy arranged by them to disagree with me to uphold a larger government conspiracy wherein they coordinate to ridicule my stunningly convincing ideas lest millions of people happen to stumble upon my comments on this obscure blog and blow the whole conspiracy wide open to the world!

    It’s is so obviously CHOICE 2!!!”

  21. Citizen Quasar says:

    guy in UNLV jacket:

    I should not have turned on my computer after I left the bar last night. My bad.

    The USS Liberty was supposed to have sunk to the bottom of the sea. That way there would be no witnesses. Israel called off the attack when a Russian vessel drew near. That left witnesses.

  22. Citizen Quasar says:

    Phelps:

    Thank you for presenting me with some facts. I now have egg on my face. You get a touche there. Still, I think that 911 was an inside job. There are just to many facts that, in my OPINION, add up to that.

    “More bullet fragments weren’t removed from his leg. This is just wrong. As in, a non-fact.”

    This is a false statement on your part. I will get the commission exhibit numbers on these fragments and present them here or on your blog. I will also post a link to a video showing them.

    I would certainly like your comments on more about these topics but I am tired of this Whack-A-Mole shit too. Besides, I have a hangover.

    Good day.

  23. Citizen Quasar says:

    One more:

    “As far as WE the American people can tell because the Kennedy assasination has been a concern/fascination for ALL of us.”

    MOST Americans believe the Kennedy assassination was done by multiple gunmen. So, once again, this is an improper use of the word “we.”

  24. Citizen Quasar says:

    Phelps:

    http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Image:Ce842.gif

    “More bullet fragments weren’t removed from his leg. This is just wrong. As in, a non-fact.�

    That was easy enough.

  25. Citizen Quasar says:

    Oops. Did I say “thigh?” I meant “wrist.”

    Either way, the Single Bullet Theory is shot down….And with it, the Single Assassin Theory too.

  26. Phelps says:

    First of all, CE399 was about 2.5 grains light, compared to other fired bullets of that make. The jacket was pristine but that bullet had a soft lead tail, which fragmented. There was only a half a grain recovered from Connoley’s wrist, and the rest was in JFK’s throat.

    Next, explain how the NAA tests indicated that the fragments were fired from the same gun if there were two shooters?

    The magic bullet theory is only magic if you assume that both of them were sitting striaght up in thier seats with their shoulders square to the road. Anyone who has ever glanced as the Zapruder film knows this isn’t true. I was there the day they took the laser sightings from the limo mockup with the bodied in the positions that are shown on the film. They lined up, and they went to the sixth floor. I’ve seen the computer models based on the remastered Zapruder film, and the models line up, and show that the trajectory points to the sixth floor.

    The only magic bullets are the ones that are supposed to have caused these wounds by being fired from the grassy knoll, making a 120 degree turn in midair, and striking Kennedy from behind.

  27. Citizen Quasar says:

    Next, explain how the NAA tests indicated that the fragments were fired from the same gun if there were two shooters?

    There are too many inconsistencies for this test, or re-test, to be considered scientifically valid. One of these is that Vincent Guinn perjured himself.

    Kennedy’s head was thrown violently backwards. Blood and brain matter were blown into the face of Bobby Hargis. (He told me this himself.)

    Now you will probably toss the “jet effectâ€? at me. Before we go there, make sure we are comparing apples to apples and oranges to oranges andnot watermelons to human heads or human heads to jet engines.

    It might also be helpful if you recall your high school physics class. You did take high school physics, right? College physics?

  28. Phelps says:

    I’ve done better. I’ve seen war film of people being shot in the head. Kennedy was shot in the head. (And there were brains all over the car, in all directions. If you haven’t seen the remastered Zapruder film, check it out. On an empty stomach.)

  29. Phelps says:

    Oh, and I love the defense, “There are too many inconsistencies…” since that pretty much sums up all the multiple-shooter theories.

  30. Citizen Quasar says:

    Yea and that 6.5 mm Manlicher-Carcano was quite the capable weapon too.

    We are never going to agree on this so I am leaving the thread.

  31. Phelps says:

    Well, if you think it was so impossible, Q, we can rent a convertable, I’ll get a 6.5mm, and you can put your money where your mouth is.

  32. mexi says:

    HAHAHHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAA!!!!

  33. Vivian says:

    Most Americans belive that there was more than one shooter? Doubtful. Most Americans you’ve personally talked to is more likely, which is far different than most Americans. “Most” of the people I know could give a rip about the assassination beyond the official conclusion. They believe that Oswald did it alone and that Jack Ruby killed him cause he was a nutball.

    Most people, I’m talking about your garden variety person; kids, mortgage, spouse, etc., have enough on their plate to do everyday that they ignore the fruity conspiracy theories about something that happened more than 40 years ago and worry about how to pay for college for their 2.5 children. An occasional Oliver Stone movie is about as close to a conspiracy theory as they get. Then they go back to living in today.

  34. mexi says:

    The two children I would put through college. That .5 is headed to the circus!!!

  35. Vivian says:

    That’s cause he’s a midget.

  36. Citizen Quasar says:

    Vivian: When I worked in Dealey Plaza I spoke to over a quarter of a million people from all walks of life and from all over the world. This personal experience tells me that 65-70% of the PLANET believes the assassination of JFK was a conspiracy.

    Now. I can hardly wait for you to question my math.

  37. Citizen Quasar says:

    Phelps: We do not need the convertable. A simple firing range with a moving target (ducks at a carnival) will do.

    I would like to see how fast you can shoot one of those things.I may take you up on this. How much do you want to bet.

  38. mexi says:

    That’s not a random sampling. The kind of people who would travel to Dealey Plaza are more likely to be conspiracy nuts in the first place. The normals would be more likely to vacation in Hawaii or Florida.

  39. Citizen Quasar says:

    No, Mexi. You’re incorrect. Dealey Plaza is THE tourist attraction in Dallas. Examples of tourists bound.

    These include the National Cheerleading Competition where high school and college girls make humongous pyramids in the plaza every year.

    Also included is almost every rock star that performs a concert in Dallas. They, and their roadies, usually swing through the plaza the day before/after the concert.

    Also included are thousands of attendies to conventions in Dallas.

    The list goes on and on.

    On the other hand, buhzillions of people visit the OCK bombsite every year also. Now here’s a good question: Why would anyone want to visit Oklahoma City?

  40. Citizen Quasar says:

    I guess it all depends on one’s frame of reference: http://motls.blogspot.com/

  41. Vivian says:

    Perhaps a scientific sampling of cheerleaders in pyramids at Dealey Plaza would get a more reliable sampling… If you were to interview the crowd outside Area 51 you are also more likely to get a sampling that favored alien invasion and anal penetration as a tool of inquiry by said aliens. I remain unconvinced that CQ got a reliably random and untainted sampling of average opinion.

  42. Citizen Quasar says:

    Everyone is entitled to their own opinion.

    Here is an interesting opinion:

    http://www.prisonplanet.com/articles/july2006/240706General.htm

  43. Citizen Quasar says:

    Vivian:

    Yea, I know that I am the only mathematician who posts on the Mexigogue. None of you have a clue as to who Gauss was; much less what a Gaussian curve is or how this is derived from euler’s number.

    None of you have any idea about how this may relate to a large population sample.

    Vivian:

    I can only hope that you are a single female who would like me to do my kinky preferred things to you. Other than that, you are a brain dead moron who would shove me Phelp’s direction…as if he is anything more than an elaborate masturbater.

    …Or would you like a two star general’s opinion; as if this were a scene out of “Dr. Strangelove” with Peter Sellers.

  44. Citizen Quasar says:

    DAMN! I just did that drunk-in-the-middle-of-the-night thing again.

    Oh well. General Stubblebine can speak for himself.

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